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		By: Cory Gracey		</title>
		<link>http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1759</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2015 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1739&quot;&gt;Laura Domela&lt;/a&gt;.

Laura &#038; Kevin,
We here at Nordic Tugs appreciate your understanding in working with us to define where your mystery lip seal came from.  It was baffling to us as it was to you, knowing that we don&#039;t use anything like that in building the boat.  Thankfully, you discovered it came from an outside source well into the boats life on the water.  Wahoo, mystery solved!  We look forward to reading many more adventures &#038; memories you are creating living the dream aboard your Nordic Tug.  We wish you calm sea&#039;s &#038; many memories as you lose sight of the shore.  Cheers to you, from all of us here at Nordic Tugs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1739">Laura Domela</a>.</p>
<p>Laura &amp; Kevin,<br />
We here at Nordic Tugs appreciate your understanding in working with us to define where your mystery lip seal came from.  It was baffling to us as it was to you, knowing that we don&#8217;t use anything like that in building the boat.  Thankfully, you discovered it came from an outside source well into the boats life on the water.  Wahoo, mystery solved!  We look forward to reading many more adventures &amp; memories you are creating living the dream aboard your Nordic Tug.  We wish you calm sea&#8217;s &amp; many memories as you lose sight of the shore.  Cheers to you, from all of us here at Nordic Tugs.</p>
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		By: Laura Domela		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2015 03:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1737&quot;&gt;Evan Effa&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Evan,

We agree with you completely. On the Airstream side, we had countless quality problems with both of our (brand new) Airstreams. Like you, hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars later, we have a trailer that we&#039;re very happy with (and one with the quality that we thought we were buying to begin with). 

Regarding the Nordic Tug, the build quality is dramatically better. The quality of components, attention to detail and workmanship are all excellent. The boat is well thought out and well designed. We believe this this issue may have even been caused by (as you say) overzealous &quot;belt AND suspenders&quot; kind of thinking. &quot;Hey, why not use a lip seal AND a PSS? And why not take the cooling water off the highest flow source available?&quot; 

Both of those decisions might sound good on the surface but through a strange combination of circumstances, those two things together probably caused our problem (a problem that could have been way worse). Interestingly, even with both Cutless bearings badly trashed, the boat was still seaworthy and cruised like normal. 

We&#039;ve spent over 200 nights and cruised for over 600 hours on this boat already and overall it&#039;s been very reliable. 

The thing about a vehicle that can take you to amazing, remote, off-the-grid places is that if it breaks down, it might break down in an amazing, remote, off-the-grid place, and you need to be prepared to deal with that. Personally, we are really enjoying the challenges. We have learned so much in such a short time and we&#039;re still completely hooked on this whole boat thing! 

Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments and insight, and congratulations on your Nordic Tug! Please keep us posted on your adventures!

Laura &#038; Kevin]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1737">Evan Effa</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Evan,</p>
<p>We agree with you completely. On the Airstream side, we had countless quality problems with both of our (brand new) Airstreams. Like you, hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars later, we have a trailer that we&#8217;re very happy with (and one with the quality that we thought we were buying to begin with). </p>
<p>Regarding the Nordic Tug, the build quality is dramatically better. The quality of components, attention to detail and workmanship are all excellent. The boat is well thought out and well designed. We believe this this issue may have even been caused by (as you say) overzealous &#8220;belt AND suspenders&#8221; kind of thinking. &#8220;Hey, why not use a lip seal AND a PSS? And why not take the cooling water off the highest flow source available?&#8221; </p>
<p>Both of those decisions might sound good on the surface but through a strange combination of circumstances, those two things together probably caused our problem (a problem that could have been way worse). Interestingly, even with both Cutless bearings badly trashed, the boat was still seaworthy and cruised like normal. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve spent over 200 nights and cruised for over 600 hours on this boat already and overall it&#8217;s been very reliable. </p>
<p>The thing about a vehicle that can take you to amazing, remote, off-the-grid places is that if it breaks down, it might break down in an amazing, remote, off-the-grid place, and you need to be prepared to deal with that. Personally, we are really enjoying the challenges. We have learned so much in such a short time and we&#8217;re still completely hooked on this whole boat thing! </p>
<p>Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments and insight, and congratulations on your Nordic Tug! Please keep us posted on your adventures!</p>
<p>Laura &amp; Kevin</p>
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		By: Evan Effa		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2015 19:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I sort of agree with your summary Laura.  

As an Airstream owner &#038; former owner of other RV&#039;s &#038; small craft, I often wonder how anyone could keep any RV or a boat going without a strong set of mechanical, electrical &#038; general handyman/woman skills...  One simply can&#039;t depend on the dealer to keep your rig running and sound. It&#039;s a labour of love to keep everything in order and a good part of the fun...  I get that. It&#039;s part of the ownership experience. 

OTOH, I don&#039;t think we should give these manufacturers a free pass on preventable or correctable issues of  poor design &#038; poor quality control in their manufacturing processes. They sell essentially hand made premium rigs at premium prices. The buyers have a reasonable expectation of high quality and precision in their products. When that isn&#039;t delivered I would hope that the manufacturer would work hard to correct the deficiencies. Airstream gets a poor grade in this regard  IMHO. 

Our 2008  Airstream has had a long list of surprising deficiencies and design flaws.  With un-caulked seams, misplaced tools behind the cabinets, rat&#039;s nest wiring etc. I see many signs of a sloppy and disinterested manufacturing team. It has personally cost me hundreds of  hours to rebuild a significant portion of the unit so that it is now what I thought it should be when I bought it new: watertight and sound. It&#039;s a pleasure to use now but I don&#039;t think I should have had to rebuild it to get it there.   I&#039;m not, unfortunately, alone in my experience. 

As for Nordic Tugs, it seems to me that there are far fewer of these major deficiencies described by their owners.   Certainly, the care and attention to small details is very evident whenever you pull off a panel to inspect the wiring or mechanics etc. on the Nordic Tug. As we join the Nordic Tug ownership club (we receive the keys to our new-to-us boat Nordic Tug on Saturday), we have hopes  that the QC will be better than Airstream&#039;s. We remain optimistic. 

This odd occurrence you describe is concerning  but this extra unwanted gasket sounds like a one-off fluke; perhaps motivated by ill-advised desire to be creatively careful rather than a lack of care. 

Anyways, it seems a very good thing that you didn&#039;t head for home before solving this mystery.  Good luck on putting everything back in order before you set off South. 

Happy travels!

 -Evan ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sort of agree with your summary Laura.  </p>
<p>As an Airstream owner &amp; former owner of other RV&#8217;s &amp; small craft, I often wonder how anyone could keep any RV or a boat going without a strong set of mechanical, electrical &amp; general handyman/woman skills&#8230;  One simply can&#8217;t depend on the dealer to keep your rig running and sound. It&#8217;s a labour of love to keep everything in order and a good part of the fun&#8230;  I get that. It&#8217;s part of the ownership experience. </p>
<p>OTOH, I don&#8217;t think we should give these manufacturers a free pass on preventable or correctable issues of  poor design &amp; poor quality control in their manufacturing processes. They sell essentially hand made premium rigs at premium prices. The buyers have a reasonable expectation of high quality and precision in their products. When that isn&#8217;t delivered I would hope that the manufacturer would work hard to correct the deficiencies. Airstream gets a poor grade in this regard  IMHO. </p>
<p>Our 2008  Airstream has had a long list of surprising deficiencies and design flaws.  With un-caulked seams, misplaced tools behind the cabinets, rat&#8217;s nest wiring etc. I see many signs of a sloppy and disinterested manufacturing team. It has personally cost me hundreds of  hours to rebuild a significant portion of the unit so that it is now what I thought it should be when I bought it new: watertight and sound. It&#8217;s a pleasure to use now but I don&#8217;t think I should have had to rebuild it to get it there.   I&#8217;m not, unfortunately, alone in my experience. </p>
<p>As for Nordic Tugs, it seems to me that there are far fewer of these major deficiencies described by their owners.   Certainly, the care and attention to small details is very evident whenever you pull off a panel to inspect the wiring or mechanics etc. on the Nordic Tug. As we join the Nordic Tug ownership club (we receive the keys to our new-to-us boat Nordic Tug on Saturday), we have hopes  that the QC will be better than Airstream&#8217;s. We remain optimistic. </p>
<p>This odd occurrence you describe is concerning  but this extra unwanted gasket sounds like a one-off fluke; perhaps motivated by ill-advised desire to be creatively careful rather than a lack of care. </p>
<p>Anyways, it seems a very good thing that you didn&#8217;t head for home before solving this mystery.  Good luck on putting everything back in order before you set off South. </p>
<p>Happy travels!</p>
<p> -Evan </p>
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		By: Michael Fortson		</title>
		<link>http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1736</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2015 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do love a good mystery, and this one had all the trappings. Congrats on getting to the bottom of it!

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do love a good mystery, and this one had all the trappings. Congrats on getting to the bottom of it!</p>
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		By: Laura Domela		</title>
		<link>http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1735</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laura Domela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2015 16:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1734&quot;&gt;Kevin McLaughlin&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep, that&#039;s exactly the conclusion we all came to here...maybe whoever put this one in was accustomed to using the other kind of shaft seals and thought a lip seal was a good idea with this one... (it obviously was not). ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1734">Kevin McLaughlin</a>.</p>
<p>Yep, that&#8217;s exactly the conclusion we all came to here&#8230;maybe whoever put this one in was accustomed to using the other kind of shaft seals and thought a lip seal was a good idea with this one&#8230; (it obviously was not). </p>
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		By: Kevin McLaughlin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin McLaughlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2015 07:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, those pics do tell a story; a mystery one at that.  Looks to me like someone put a lip seal on the shaft against the shaft tube, and it got pushed into the cutlass from water pressure.  Some sort of redundacy gone wrong, real wrong.  I changed my own cutlass and shaft seal after buying the boat, just to start fresh.  Consider putting hose clamps on the shaft and shaft tube to prevent the bellows and steel ring from moving apart and out of correct position.  Cheap redundancy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, those pics do tell a story; a mystery one at that.  Looks to me like someone put a lip seal on the shaft against the shaft tube, and it got pushed into the cutlass from water pressure.  Some sort of redundacy gone wrong, real wrong.  I changed my own cutlass and shaft seal after buying the boat, just to start fresh.  Consider putting hose clamps on the shaft and shaft tube to prevent the bellows and steel ring from moving apart and out of correct position.  Cheap redundancy.</p>
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		By: Laura Domela		</title>
		<link>http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1733</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laura Domela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2015 02:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1732&quot;&gt;Mark Johnson&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Mark! :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1732">Mark Johnson</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Mark! 🙂</p>
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		By: Mark Johnson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2015 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great Sherlocking, guys !!!
Box Canyon Mark]]></description>
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Box Canyon Mark</p>
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		By: Scott Aron Bloom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Aron Bloom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1730&quot;&gt;Laura Domela&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah..plane engines have a nasty habit of crank shafts cracking mid flight :(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1730">Laura Domela</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah..plane engines have a nasty habit of crank shafts cracking mid flight 🙁</p>
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		By: Laura Domela		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laura Domela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1729&quot;&gt;Scott Aron Bloom&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, and planes...same thing. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://www.riveted-blog.com/2015/08/fun-and-fish-in-juneau/#comment-1729">Scott Aron Bloom</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, and planes&#8230;same thing. 🙂</p>
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